PTR Conference Call Notes – 4/28/2011
« on: April 28, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Dan, Tony, Radtodd, Ann, Paula, Wendy, Traveling Soldier, Simon,
Tony: Today, a candid conversation about yesterday and how way over the top you guys were. Wasn’t the intention of the call.
Dan: Actually I did mean to stir everyone up. Apologize it got so bad. some of you guys are crazy. I think about 80% of you understood where I was coming from The other 20% didn’t.
Do have a little bit of information. We want to change things for the better. Get out a pen and paper so you don’t forget something someone says. We actually undeleted some of the things that were made invisible yesterday. because we think you guys should moderate yourselves. We only talk about 2 sites that are negative and you only catch that every once in a while. They bash us almost every day. Had an email the other day from a lady who said, I’ve been following you guys for 3 weeks, love your voice, Tony’s voice then found out you guys are crooks and left your site.”
Every once in a while new people go read some garbage some where and we feel the need to adress it again. For those who are loyal, long term members sorry you have to hear that for the 9th or 10th time.
Dan: Fresh on a lot of people’s minds is the call i made yesterday. Want to keep it positive. A scenario that will make sense. No one on team that I am frustrated with. Complimented every person as much as possible. They are saying what they believe to be true. Went more on Tony cause we are friends and have been for a long time.
Put yourself in this position – you are just new in stock market and buying stocks. New at this. 4 or 5 people you trust that are the best in the business. Using their judgement to get involved in a currency investment. Over the next year these guys tell you how great this is, going to go up etc. At what point to you have to say, man as much credibility as they have, I have invested for month after month, invested in reserves and lost money. If you have just bought the currency no problem. You are emotionally invested. How long will it take before you have to stop listening to some of this? How many people would agree that you would have to check your sources. Yesterday I had all this stuff hit me about how wonderful it is going to be. Had an eye opening call with a heavy investor who has contracts overseas and it was a sobering call.
It was a very good call. He was extremely positive. Ridiculous the amount of excitement. Iraq gets better every week. Said it wasn’t happening tomorrow, through Sunday. Maybe up until Monday. Now way of arguing it. Let all the air out of me. We invested in the iqd because it absolutely will revaluate. I know a lot of people will be incredibly helped. Point is there has to come a point when knowledge becomes wisdom. Unless you apply that it is not good.
I did a call a week or 2 before we left pd. The call was very similar to yesterday’s in that I was very frustrated with all the positive news that never came true. I asked then if we were prepared for another 3 – 4 month wait? My point was it is dangerous to live in a mental position, especially if your financial position is horrible, dangerous to sit in that position and get pumped everyday. When I get into that mode, I can sound negative but I am not.
Some of this stuff I can reason through and see it isn’t right. We are basically going to be a little more hard core to see if what we listened to is on. Can say here’s what we are hearing. We need to take emotion out of it sometimes.
Tony: I wanted you to get your part out. I saw a lot of stuff on the boards. I put a post up there that it wasn’t Dan’s intention to fight amongst yourselves. Not the intention of the call. He called me and told me what he was going to say before then. I have to be brutally honest with you just as Dan is. When I bring information that is my opinion cause that is what I believe. I believe you are involved in this opportunity and you are adults and grown and able to disseminate it. You have to decide what is right for you. People who sit at their computer all day long hoping Dan or Tony say something. Go live your life. I am on the phone all day long trying to put it together so you don’t have to. As soon as Dan or I get it we are going to bring it to you. You can go live your lives and go do what you are supposed to be doing. Right now we are sacrificing so you can go do that. I will only bring you information that I believe that makes sense to me. Dan and I don’t always agree. Trying to bring you the best information. We’ll see if we can improve on that.
Dan: My point to that ? was that there was a minister – comparing what we are doing to a congregation etc. Doesn’t work. We’re not a congregation of believers, of any faith, not that kind of a group here. This is not governed by some word or book, All have different opinions. Some people aren’t that way. Can’t please everyone. Don’t take our banter as crazy lunatics that don’t agree. Not truing tot get the same thing or we’re in trouble. A group of investors, that are adults with opinions.
We really do have fun with this stuff. Can’t have speakers who are passionate and real and not hear some controversy some times. You can’t . Yo cannot agree with me all the time or no opinion of your own. When we spend this much time. For someone to get on the board to say that call was Don’t know if I agree with everything I have been hearing today We want to become a little more proactive. There’s an educational process we can go through while we wait. Not just attorneys and trusts. Do you know who is in charge of this? Do you know?
You will understand why I get frustrated about the Shabbibi idea that he did a speech yesterday. I said yesterday Shabbibi did not say it was goiing to happen today the next day. Said he was excited about the increase in their culture etc… someone else said he got direction to announce this tomorrow etc. Do you really have to see that on tv to know it didn’t happen. Did not way their currency was going to increase. No w ay anyone would allow that man to announce an rv on tv.
If that speech yesterday had said we will rv today , tomorrow etc. you wouldn’t
get your hands on that $. I called someone who lives there… said the borders aren;’t closed and that speaech dsidn’t happen. The border issue can be a visa issue. Not blocking up the borders cause it is about to rv. I know they haven’t gotten all of the 3 zeros in. I have to scratch my head on that one and see if it is real or true. Do you know for sure that Ali and Ty are bying billions of dollars to sell them for us. Maybe the auctions are lower for another reason that an rv?
Tony: I know a couple of weeks ago, we saw an article out of Bagdhad where shabbs said 80 90 % of all of the 3 zeros had been withdrawn.
Dan – that means that incountry they have taken in 80 – 90% in and getting ready with lower denominations. Getting readu for the rv. Nut how come they dealers are still selloing them? How can that be happening? They aren’t worried about what happens here. Therey are working on the removal in country. When they say they are hauling it all in we have to be resonibale. They are doing it around their country, preparing their revaluaiton for the country not for us.
Tony: That is waht we are talking a out casue it has to happen in country before out of country. Thwhole information game – if it comes out – it is how each person interpretts it. If it goes from one eperson throu 10 people it all changes. People ties that incountry removal to the whole world. Not so – incountry. There is a shortage in countrty of the large 3 didgit notes there. If some people over there have some, doesn’t mean that there isn’t a shortage of them.
Dan: But good info. Tells us the investment is going forward. I am in a grwat mood. We’ve all been wrong.
Ann – Mikki Rn is in our chat room. She had an interesting ? she said what if the notes being drawn in are being sold to the dealers to sell to us?
Dan: When we see 80-90% are being brought in versus what’s being sold bnillions and billions being brought back in.
Tony: I f they borought in 80 90% and say they ahve burnt them. Let’s say they didn’t and are sending them to us so that the US could hold them in their bank and owe the UD 50 trillion dollars? Money goes to the fed still gets sdestroyed and goes on the credit balance. A computer. says how mush we colledctec. how much over here you know. How much you owe us. If there was a big ocnsipiatecy tpfor hus to noe th ne a part of this… don’t hyou thiknk they could have adderssed this?
Ann – They don’t need them but they can send them over here and we’re buying them/Ok they send them to us, We buy ptro dollars and burn them here.
Tony – that’s what happens.
Dan: When someone asks these ?’s and only know 20 30 percent of the information, can be frustrateing. These are facts. The dollar is going down. No one is buying it. China russia etc. Would you be shocked to find out we are selling 5 – 6 billion dollars. Fed is printing it. The fed is buying it. They sell it to the Trasury. Sll at a profit and for interest. Fed has been writing checks with no money for decades. Today 5 -6 billion being printed selling at a profit and interest. Dropping the sollar and rasiing the prices of gold. The us sec of the us apprves the oil contracts there.
Shabbibi isn’t the one making the discisions. he repeats what he is told to do and say. Kennedy etc. just a figurehead. When we heare that Shabbs made an announcemnt like that have to say it doesn’t make sense. We look at this stuff and take it apart before we let it out.
If thery were recalling that $ and selling to us… how can they turn circulated into uncirculated and sell it to us?
Dan: The moneh coming into the majotr currency traders is brand new bills. Not hard to see. Our ;point is when is it going to happen?
People thought I sounded mad yesterady. How many of you are frustrated that you have heard it was going to happen everyweekend but it doesn’t. Still in a good mood, a great investment and think it will happen. When you hear us on a call and ask why I or Tony would say those things. No one is paying us for a reason, that we are trying to help. Give it a minute to figure it out.
We are going to change the site a little bit to become the first site to be a better leader. Time to hold some of these people and our selves to more accountability. Can’t check every piece of intel inside out. We need to be telling people it is the right time the right investment. If it happens tomorrow what are you going to do? Tomorrow our guest is from the hybrid foreign currency company. Has somethings you may find interesting. It is free software. Nothng in it here for anyone. We’re just looking at it for ourselves so why not share it with you guys.
Figure out how to make 20 -40% on your money a month – that’s what they claim.
Tony: Go start a new thread and tell CM what you think of this call.
I will echo what he said.
Dan – I didn’t mean to imply that I had a secret that would upset anyone.
TexasGuy – ? in chat room – is Dan selling software?
Dan – whoever said that ban them. Are they serious? Chickenwing had some ridiculous stuff he posted esterday. Needes to go back and listen to the call. A point where it becomes rude. You can beat me up all you want as long as it makes sense. Don’t like unconstrcutive debating. Prove me wrong so I can change my opinions.
Tony: We’ll continue to bring the best information. Still think we have the best intel sources there. We may not give you the complete information till it happens. We get a lot of information and don’t bring it all to ou right now. Some times we get told we can’t tell you. Have calls form wsome gobt people who are listening and say we have some good resources, good contacts. You ahve made some h*ll of a guesses. They were right. Told there were 400 people in Iraq who serach the internet for this. They say we have a great site. This is not a competition with the other sites to say who discovers the rv first. No one will care. I don’t care. Not a competition. I talk to people, Okie etc. We even share information that is what we are supposed to do . To do the best we can to put it together. Not a competition. Trhying to get information that’s all. No one is talking about one site or the other.
Good people on every site. Godd information on every site. Would like to think our contacts are a little higher up the food chain.
Dan: Trying to let you know where this site is going and what the team is thinking about. If you think we are lecturing maybe this site is not for you.
Everyone saying it will happen if not Saturday or Sunday. An overwhelming number of people saying I am wrong.
Simon: ? I posted an article today that the bank is closed on Sunday for their labor day. (CBI).
Tony: They paid half of the people last time that we know of. Some on the smart card we’ve been told of. Today is payday again. What will happen today. Tomorrow is a holiday. They could get paid on Saturday. Something has to happen. Let’s see.
? Want to appreciate you for the info. Look at the article re time running out for the ministers? Search it under your emails.
Tony – If anyone is replaced in 100 days it will be Maliki not the entire govt. Don’t be surprised that wasnt the plan to start with and that’s why dragged this out.
? When is the talk show tomororw?
Dan: In the afternoon. We do intereviews and then have to splice them together. Talkes 3 -4 hours to do an hour. Will be posted on the radio talk show area. Will be recorded and up tomorrow afternoon. I am anxious to talk to the guy,.
Simon – Just posted a news article that explains why the cbi is reducing dinar sales.
? We really appreciate what you guys have and will do. The only area I disagree with Dan a bit on is to give the moddsa more power to ban the small minded people that come in with disrespect and basjing they put up with more than tthey should. Debate is great but no call for disrespsect. Wanted to say thank you.
Tony: I agree with you. Dan agress with you. We want to give you a little lea way to talk but not be disrespectful to the mods. Dan, me or each other. Not what the site is for,
Double bull: Mods do have the power to do that. We are trying to understand the durstration of people. Dan is my best friend in the world. You won’t attack him or Tony with out me taking you down. The mods do a good job. I do go in and edit. You may see someone jumping on this guy who has a bad post. I may then go in and cut out the bad stuff and leave the good stuff in.
? Need to know – how can we be so far off on this intel? I know a stupid question… how can we be this far off? What are we dealing with here? Dan – you’re private posts absolutely great. Why is this so far off?
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PART 2:
Dan: I am going to buy your $29 fee for the webinar with the lawyers. I think this is a smart ?.
Tony: I don’t think we are that far off. I really don’t talk to people in every aprt of the gove. Even Dan says doesn’t think we are that far off. I think the country’s money supply is low. I think they are trying to ghet things done. A new sources, so high up non the chain, telling us exactly what they are doing. brought us all kinds of information that isn’t even public yet. They are all saying any day now. Everything has been down. Supposedly the 3 ministers were voted on last night and done. Maliki suppose to be back on Sunday. There was a problem. They put people in there and then the problem was resolved in a couple of hours. It is happening. It is right there.
? Dan I think like you trust me A friend of mine thinks like Tony.
Tony: I want to give you this analogy that I use. I am blind… (not literally), standing in middle of the street Have 10 people I know. or 10 I don’t know. I ask each one what color is the sky. If 2 say it is blue and 8 say it is gray who do I believe. I believe the 8 versus the 2. It doesn’t benefit anyone. Dan said that’s not what he said. Didn’t say Shabibi wasn’t on tv. Just said wasn’t what was said about the rv.
Dan – Go back in your mind. I though August 16th was the day this would happen. Believed we were at the edge. 7 – 10 times after that before the end of the year. Everyone of us has been at a spot and thinking the time was for sure. Can you go back to then and imagine April 28th on a call and hearing Tony say we are there. Isn’t it time to start getting better intel?
Tony: Give an interpretation in how you feel about it. It is easy to say its not going to happen you would have been right for 8 years. Things change and they progress. We thought this was over Sept. or Oct. Along the way they would say that this law had to be passed etc. those things did have to take place for this to happen. They only things that have been wrong or the date and the rate. No one will be right until after it happens.
Dan; Definitely need to start moving towards what makes sense. Have to stop and say that the people who have been giving us intel – and say that have been given information that has been bad for months in a row. When I get detailed stories for months in a row I have to wonder who is giving us a lot of misinformation. People know that China, the US or the UK are not going to stop this right before it happened. No. The intel was wrong. Just getting closer and people are getting excited. That’s why we have so many storeis. Some people are making stuff up We need to figure out who. Irritated about the left field stuff. Some of these people are good people but have been duped. 2 -3 guys up the chain there is someone who likes to make things up. Can’t be nothings. As a team we need to get better at this. I am buying your ticket cause of your smart ?
? Looking forward to the post rv stuff you are putting on. Can we have more detail on the webinar? And anything else yuouo have coming up?
Dan – The date is the 4th of May. Will post it tomorrow. Waited and the price went down. Will post at 9 pst. If we have 250 people that are going to do that he will open up another class. How to protect you $ and have the least amount of taxes and protect hyourself from being sued.They believe they are going to get clients out of this and the only reason they are doing it for $29.00.
? Thought call yesterday really on target and I appreciate it. Dan you said you talked to your intel sources who said not happening this weekend. What did he say was left to do before the rv?
Dan – trying to figure out how to answer that question. There is a physical reason. This is a very touchy one. Friend of mine that sits in a high place. There’s a physical reason. Two sources said the same thing. Said wouldn’t happen Friday or Saturday. They think it could pop any miinute. Some things have to take place for this to happen. Can’t happen before Saturday or Sunday is what they said, I hope they are wrong. There’s boards today saying it will happen tonight. Not trying to be one of those guys. Know that if you have a reserve off you get frustrated. Can’t say any more than the next 2 – 3 days doesn’t seem it is even possible physically, but can be right after that. Not changing my stance.
? Heard people say they don’t ask why the intel didn’t come true. You guys at least ask what happened. ? about smart cards? Did they put $1100 usd or dinar on there?
Ton: We did have BOG …
Chief – An ongoing process. Won’t happen over night. 40-50 bases there and 18 different provences and 3 regions. Only know it was the equivalent of $1100 usd. Don’t know what it was in dinars. We were waiting on a confirmation on JBT, Boozemanor whoever is there. haven’t gotten that yet. Supposed to be getting 250 usd per month.
Dan – what they used to get was 250 us before.
Tony – Didn’t have a card before.
Dan – Before that card they would get cash. How much a month? 250 us right?
Tony – I don’t know that.
Dan – we don’t knwo the # there.
Chief – when the original article came out that said 1200 dinar thought what? that’s a buck… then it was reduced to 250.
Dan – kind of confusing to me too.
Chief – they won’t give us that information.
Dan – A good source who has very good contacts over there. Called his military contacts there and asked this very thing. He was called immediately by his superiors and told they didn’t want any more questions about the dinar.
I believe they do care if we buy. he was told to stop asking any ? about the iqd.
Chief – We know they got $1100 worth. If you divide the 250 into that that is how you come up with the $4 + we did.
? About an article on another site regarding theie cbi reducing their dinar sales. Think taht is the article that was put out. So how about the Top of the Mark? Think something should be put together in SF.
Dan: Need a place to hold 1500 – 2000. You’ll see an itinerary for the event after this happens. A lot of stuff. 3 -4 different places we are looking at. A lot of work to get the right places. Maybe we should rent Alcatraz for the day.
? Ann – Curious about why pushing the 25k note so much? I wanted to buy some of the lower ones but they prived them more. Why?
Dan – They say the other ones are more paper, more work, more weight.. That’s what Ali said. Only a little bit more expensive.
Tony: A reason – they know they are going to be destroyed where the lower notes are going to be retained. Plus takes more of the smaller notes and costs more to ship it to you. Lower notes (50 and 250′s)
? ? for Chief. Something on the board several times earllier. That you thought it would be 60 – 90 days.
Chief – no 30- 60 days. Well there are a lot of time lines setup in schedule of things that need to be done In the past many things have gotten done well ahead of schedule. The things I listed are the thigns I know of. Tony and I went round robin on that stuff. Said that the UN said they were done with Kuwait. Then an article came out saying they had paid Kuwait reparations. Things could be donme will beforw that time frame. IMF doc has that schedule written out on there and has completed and uncompleted stuff on the doc. One was the largest commercial banks in Iraq had to be resctructured to communicate properly with the central bank. Very important. Al have to tie into the centeral bank. New power plant this weekend is fantastic news. We’ve had the U S Treasury guys there and they came home. IT guys may still be there. When they come home we know complete. Power plant gives uninterrupted power to the CBI and Baghdad facilities should have no problems there with that. Other items may have been dont but I haven’t confirmed that. Bernenke made mention of QE2 – quantitative easing for 2nd quarter. They are withdrawing the bonds they were going to sell. A good thing. Have to keep in your mind that it can happen now, but be prepared if it runs out till June. DFI protection ends in June. Several things that end in June. Currency Newshound said that Iraq will start a new era July 1. Know a lot of articles are misinformation. Continue on with tyour life. Don’t sit and dwell on this thing day in and out. We don’t know everything.
? Do we really know who is in charge of pushing this button? Who has to give permission to do it?
Dan – Easier to say who is not.
Chief – I was in a conversation about that today. Odd that there is one sources we do not have contacts with and that is the world bank. My theory is that we have the UN and the IMF. In charge of multiple things. Who is the money holder in this thing? The World Bank controls the world’s money…
Dan – I think a little more controversial than that. Individuals that control everything.
Chief – in the background – when you start looking at who controls the markets.. the world bank is behind that. IMF controls the countries different moneys. World banks controls when. A certain point they have to reach whether it is the gold, the oil, the silver…. dollar reaching a certain pont. We don’t have anyone at the world bank. May never have anyone there.
Dan – one member is a former consultant to the IMF and has a lot of really good info. This is a difficult to answer. There are people who are giants who control it. Still have to go back to the US, China etc. It is whoever has the biggest stick. They are all controlling it waiting for the most $$ to be in their park and wkill flip the sweithch..All ready,. Not waiting for anything. If the people wanted it to be done and said this was the bst time to make money it would be done.
Simon – an imf contact said to me – watch silver and gold – as long as they gol up it won’t happen. A lot more to this than just a flip of the switch. The dollar is being pushed down till gold reaches its top. Then other buttons that will be pushed to complete this thing and that will bring the dollar back up. One of the reasons in a holding pattern. So close it could happen at any minute. Know we are really close but we don’t know.
Chief – who is the overall entity – World Bank or IMF?
Dan – Don’t think either one.
? Don’t need to hear you are doing a good job from me. Wanted to reiterate something on smart cards. Took me 2 years to teach m mother how to use an atm card. Will take Iraaq a long time to teach the people how. It is good to know when things are good and bad. If Maliki is voted out of confidence how will that affect us dinar holders?
Dan – If it affects the greed factor it won’t matter. He won’t be voted out if it is going to stall the rv and they want it to be rv’s at this moment. None of those guys – doesn’t matter. Not about Itaq. About Iraq’s money and their wealth.
Certain countries that don’t figure into the bigger picture. Even though Iraq will be the saving grace, if they had the might and the power would have told the US to get out of their country when the US and the UN took over. Doesn’t matter which way the economy swings. It’s not about the $ of the U.S. When you talk about trusts and that stuff.. the U S can make the dollar look however they want as long as they control the gold etc.- only affects us little guys.
People want answers. Go to the GET site, Okie’s site and make your own decision. Then get to the point that you look at who is giving us what information. We want to be a little more constructiive with the information. let’s be a little bit more post -rv and how we are going to become better when we are better.
Had a 3 hour mod call today. Traveling soldier said – and we agreed. Started this site to educate the little guy. and keep him in the game. Tony says there are people, after this wealth has shifted that after 5 years will be broke. If we focus on that now and take that number from 90 to 80% – can we make the numbeers better afterwards? We might as well start to focus on the post rv stuff.
Tony – Trying to form a warning. Go look up lottery winners. 70% are broke in 5 years. 87% of professional athletes are broke after 5 years. You need to be learning right now – before you get it. Once in your hands you will just be spending it. Think about long term.
Dan – We hope we become more educated too. Point is – from Mike Tyson to a lot of people who thought they were different – most of them were wrong. Very few people that come out of it and keep on making it. We had this investment and didn’t have to work for it. Trying to help ourselfves and help you guys. let’s see how good we can make it.
Chief – Stay strong hang in there. It really could happen any minute. We don’t know all the facts.
« on: April 28, 2011, 09:26:51 PM
Dan, Tony, Radtodd, Ann, Paula, Wendy, Traveling Soldier, Simon,
Tony: Today, a candid conversation about yesterday and how way over the top you guys were. Wasn’t the intention of the call.
Dan: Actually I did mean to stir everyone up. Apologize it got so bad. some of you guys are crazy. I think about 80% of you understood where I was coming from The other 20% didn’t.
Do have a little bit of information. We want to change things for the better. Get out a pen and paper so you don’t forget something someone says. We actually undeleted some of the things that were made invisible yesterday. because we think you guys should moderate yourselves. We only talk about 2 sites that are negative and you only catch that every once in a while. They bash us almost every day. Had an email the other day from a lady who said, I’ve been following you guys for 3 weeks, love your voice, Tony’s voice then found out you guys are crooks and left your site.”
Every once in a while new people go read some garbage some where and we feel the need to adress it again. For those who are loyal, long term members sorry you have to hear that for the 9th or 10th time.
Dan: Fresh on a lot of people’s minds is the call i made yesterday. Want to keep it positive. A scenario that will make sense. No one on team that I am frustrated with. Complimented every person as much as possible. They are saying what they believe to be true. Went more on Tony cause we are friends and have been for a long time.
Put yourself in this position – you are just new in stock market and buying stocks. New at this. 4 or 5 people you trust that are the best in the business. Using their judgement to get involved in a currency investment. Over the next year these guys tell you how great this is, going to go up etc. At what point to you have to say, man as much credibility as they have, I have invested for month after month, invested in reserves and lost money. If you have just bought the currency no problem. You are emotionally invested. How long will it take before you have to stop listening to some of this? How many people would agree that you would have to check your sources. Yesterday I had all this stuff hit me about how wonderful it is going to be. Had an eye opening call with a heavy investor who has contracts overseas and it was a sobering call.
It was a very good call. He was extremely positive. Ridiculous the amount of excitement. Iraq gets better every week. Said it wasn’t happening tomorrow, through Sunday. Maybe up until Monday. Now way of arguing it. Let all the air out of me. We invested in the iqd because it absolutely will revaluate. I know a lot of people will be incredibly helped. Point is there has to come a point when knowledge becomes wisdom. Unless you apply that it is not good.
I did a call a week or 2 before we left pd. The call was very similar to yesterday’s in that I was very frustrated with all the positive news that never came true. I asked then if we were prepared for another 3 – 4 month wait? My point was it is dangerous to live in a mental position, especially if your financial position is horrible, dangerous to sit in that position and get pumped everyday. When I get into that mode, I can sound negative but I am not.
Some of this stuff I can reason through and see it isn’t right. We are basically going to be a little more hard core to see if what we listened to is on. Can say here’s what we are hearing. We need to take emotion out of it sometimes.
Tony: I wanted you to get your part out. I saw a lot of stuff on the boards. I put a post up there that it wasn’t Dan’s intention to fight amongst yourselves. Not the intention of the call. He called me and told me what he was going to say before then. I have to be brutally honest with you just as Dan is. When I bring information that is my opinion cause that is what I believe. I believe you are involved in this opportunity and you are adults and grown and able to disseminate it. You have to decide what is right for you. People who sit at their computer all day long hoping Dan or Tony say something. Go live your life. I am on the phone all day long trying to put it together so you don’t have to. As soon as Dan or I get it we are going to bring it to you. You can go live your lives and go do what you are supposed to be doing. Right now we are sacrificing so you can go do that. I will only bring you information that I believe that makes sense to me. Dan and I don’t always agree. Trying to bring you the best information. We’ll see if we can improve on that.
Dan: My point to that ? was that there was a minister – comparing what we are doing to a congregation etc. Doesn’t work. We’re not a congregation of believers, of any faith, not that kind of a group here. This is not governed by some word or book, All have different opinions. Some people aren’t that way. Can’t please everyone. Don’t take our banter as crazy lunatics that don’t agree. Not truing tot get the same thing or we’re in trouble. A group of investors, that are adults with opinions.
We really do have fun with this stuff. Can’t have speakers who are passionate and real and not hear some controversy some times. You can’t . Yo cannot agree with me all the time or no opinion of your own. When we spend this much time. For someone to get on the board to say that call was Don’t know if I agree with everything I have been hearing today We want to become a little more proactive. There’s an educational process we can go through while we wait. Not just attorneys and trusts. Do you know who is in charge of this? Do you know?
You will understand why I get frustrated about the Shabbibi idea that he did a speech yesterday. I said yesterday Shabbibi did not say it was goiing to happen today the next day. Said he was excited about the increase in their culture etc… someone else said he got direction to announce this tomorrow etc. Do you really have to see that on tv to know it didn’t happen. Did not way their currency was going to increase. No w ay anyone would allow that man to announce an rv on tv.
If that speech yesterday had said we will rv today , tomorrow etc. you wouldn’t
get your hands on that $. I called someone who lives there… said the borders aren;’t closed and that speaech dsidn’t happen. The border issue can be a visa issue. Not blocking up the borders cause it is about to rv. I know they haven’t gotten all of the 3 zeros in. I have to scratch my head on that one and see if it is real or true. Do you know for sure that Ali and Ty are bying billions of dollars to sell them for us. Maybe the auctions are lower for another reason that an rv?
Tony: I know a couple of weeks ago, we saw an article out of Bagdhad where shabbs said 80 90 % of all of the 3 zeros had been withdrawn.
Dan – that means that incountry they have taken in 80 – 90% in and getting ready with lower denominations. Getting readu for the rv. Nut how come they dealers are still selloing them? How can that be happening? They aren’t worried about what happens here. Therey are working on the removal in country. When they say they are hauling it all in we have to be resonibale. They are doing it around their country, preparing their revaluaiton for the country not for us.
Tony: That is waht we are talking a out casue it has to happen in country before out of country. Thwhole information game – if it comes out – it is how each person interpretts it. If it goes from one eperson throu 10 people it all changes. People ties that incountry removal to the whole world. Not so – incountry. There is a shortage in countrty of the large 3 didgit notes there. If some people over there have some, doesn’t mean that there isn’t a shortage of them.
Dan: But good info. Tells us the investment is going forward. I am in a grwat mood. We’ve all been wrong.
Ann – Mikki Rn is in our chat room. She had an interesting ? she said what if the notes being drawn in are being sold to the dealers to sell to us?
Dan: When we see 80-90% are being brought in versus what’s being sold bnillions and billions being brought back in.
Tony: I f they borought in 80 90% and say they ahve burnt them. Let’s say they didn’t and are sending them to us so that the US could hold them in their bank and owe the UD 50 trillion dollars? Money goes to the fed still gets sdestroyed and goes on the credit balance. A computer. says how mush we colledctec. how much over here you know. How much you owe us. If there was a big ocnsipiatecy tpfor hus to noe th ne a part of this… don’t hyou thiknk they could have adderssed this?
Ann – They don’t need them but they can send them over here and we’re buying them/Ok they send them to us, We buy ptro dollars and burn them here.
Tony – that’s what happens.
Dan: When someone asks these ?’s and only know 20 30 percent of the information, can be frustrateing. These are facts. The dollar is going down. No one is buying it. China russia etc. Would you be shocked to find out we are selling 5 – 6 billion dollars. Fed is printing it. The fed is buying it. They sell it to the Trasury. Sll at a profit and for interest. Fed has been writing checks with no money for decades. Today 5 -6 billion being printed selling at a profit and interest. Dropping the sollar and rasiing the prices of gold. The us sec of the us apprves the oil contracts there.
Shabbibi isn’t the one making the discisions. he repeats what he is told to do and say. Kennedy etc. just a figurehead. When we heare that Shabbs made an announcemnt like that have to say it doesn’t make sense. We look at this stuff and take it apart before we let it out.
If thery were recalling that $ and selling to us… how can they turn circulated into uncirculated and sell it to us?
Dan: The moneh coming into the majotr currency traders is brand new bills. Not hard to see. Our ;point is when is it going to happen?
People thought I sounded mad yesterady. How many of you are frustrated that you have heard it was going to happen everyweekend but it doesn’t. Still in a good mood, a great investment and think it will happen. When you hear us on a call and ask why I or Tony would say those things. No one is paying us for a reason, that we are trying to help. Give it a minute to figure it out.
We are going to change the site a little bit to become the first site to be a better leader. Time to hold some of these people and our selves to more accountability. Can’t check every piece of intel inside out. We need to be telling people it is the right time the right investment. If it happens tomorrow what are you going to do? Tomorrow our guest is from the hybrid foreign currency company. Has somethings you may find interesting. It is free software. Nothng in it here for anyone. We’re just looking at it for ourselves so why not share it with you guys.
Figure out how to make 20 -40% on your money a month – that’s what they claim.
Tony: Go start a new thread and tell CM what you think of this call.
I will echo what he said.
Dan – I didn’t mean to imply that I had a secret that would upset anyone.
TexasGuy – ? in chat room – is Dan selling software?
Dan – whoever said that ban them. Are they serious? Chickenwing had some ridiculous stuff he posted esterday. Needes to go back and listen to the call. A point where it becomes rude. You can beat me up all you want as long as it makes sense. Don’t like unconstrcutive debating. Prove me wrong so I can change my opinions.
Tony: We’ll continue to bring the best information. Still think we have the best intel sources there. We may not give you the complete information till it happens. We get a lot of information and don’t bring it all to ou right now. Some times we get told we can’t tell you. Have calls form wsome gobt people who are listening and say we have some good resources, good contacts. You ahve made some h*ll of a guesses. They were right. Told there were 400 people in Iraq who serach the internet for this. They say we have a great site. This is not a competition with the other sites to say who discovers the rv first. No one will care. I don’t care. Not a competition. I talk to people, Okie etc. We even share information that is what we are supposed to do . To do the best we can to put it together. Not a competition. Trhying to get information that’s all. No one is talking about one site or the other.
Good people on every site. Godd information on every site. Would like to think our contacts are a little higher up the food chain.
Dan: Trying to let you know where this site is going and what the team is thinking about. If you think we are lecturing maybe this site is not for you.
Everyone saying it will happen if not Saturday or Sunday. An overwhelming number of people saying I am wrong.
Simon: ? I posted an article today that the bank is closed on Sunday for their labor day. (CBI).
Tony: They paid half of the people last time that we know of. Some on the smart card we’ve been told of. Today is payday again. What will happen today. Tomorrow is a holiday. They could get paid on Saturday. Something has to happen. Let’s see.
? Want to appreciate you for the info. Look at the article re time running out for the ministers? Search it under your emails.
Tony – If anyone is replaced in 100 days it will be Maliki not the entire govt. Don’t be surprised that wasnt the plan to start with and that’s why dragged this out.
? When is the talk show tomororw?
Dan: In the afternoon. We do intereviews and then have to splice them together. Talkes 3 -4 hours to do an hour. Will be posted on the radio talk show area. Will be recorded and up tomorrow afternoon. I am anxious to talk to the guy,.
Simon – Just posted a news article that explains why the cbi is reducing dinar sales.
? We really appreciate what you guys have and will do. The only area I disagree with Dan a bit on is to give the moddsa more power to ban the small minded people that come in with disrespect and basjing they put up with more than tthey should. Debate is great but no call for disrespsect. Wanted to say thank you.
Tony: I agree with you. Dan agress with you. We want to give you a little lea way to talk but not be disrespectful to the mods. Dan, me or each other. Not what the site is for,
Double bull: Mods do have the power to do that. We are trying to understand the durstration of people. Dan is my best friend in the world. You won’t attack him or Tony with out me taking you down. The mods do a good job. I do go in and edit. You may see someone jumping on this guy who has a bad post. I may then go in and cut out the bad stuff and leave the good stuff in.
? Need to know – how can we be so far off on this intel? I know a stupid question… how can we be this far off? What are we dealing with here? Dan – you’re private posts absolutely great. Why is this so far off?
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Dan: I am going to buy your $29 fee for the webinar with the lawyers. I think this is a smart ?.
Tony: I don’t think we are that far off. I really don’t talk to people in every aprt of the gove. Even Dan says doesn’t think we are that far off. I think the country’s money supply is low. I think they are trying to ghet things done. A new sources, so high up non the chain, telling us exactly what they are doing. brought us all kinds of information that isn’t even public yet. They are all saying any day now. Everything has been down. Supposedly the 3 ministers were voted on last night and done. Maliki suppose to be back on Sunday. There was a problem. They put people in there and then the problem was resolved in a couple of hours. It is happening. It is right there.
? Dan I think like you trust me A friend of mine thinks like Tony.
Tony: I want to give you this analogy that I use. I am blind… (not literally), standing in middle of the street Have 10 people I know. or 10 I don’t know. I ask each one what color is the sky. If 2 say it is blue and 8 say it is gray who do I believe. I believe the 8 versus the 2. It doesn’t benefit anyone. Dan said that’s not what he said. Didn’t say Shabibi wasn’t on tv. Just said wasn’t what was said about the rv.
Dan – Go back in your mind. I though August 16th was the day this would happen. Believed we were at the edge. 7 – 10 times after that before the end of the year. Everyone of us has been at a spot and thinking the time was for sure. Can you go back to then and imagine April 28th on a call and hearing Tony say we are there. Isn’t it time to start getting better intel?
Tony: Give an interpretation in how you feel about it. It is easy to say its not going to happen you would have been right for 8 years. Things change and they progress. We thought this was over Sept. or Oct. Along the way they would say that this law had to be passed etc. those things did have to take place for this to happen. They only things that have been wrong or the date and the rate. No one will be right until after it happens.
Dan; Definitely need to start moving towards what makes sense. Have to stop and say that the people who have been giving us intel – and say that have been given information that has been bad for months in a row. When I get detailed stories for months in a row I have to wonder who is giving us a lot of misinformation. People know that China, the US or the UK are not going to stop this right before it happened. No. The intel was wrong. Just getting closer and people are getting excited. That’s why we have so many storeis. Some people are making stuff up We need to figure out who. Irritated about the left field stuff. Some of these people are good people but have been duped. 2 -3 guys up the chain there is someone who likes to make things up. Can’t be nothings. As a team we need to get better at this. I am buying your ticket cause of your smart ?
? Looking forward to the post rv stuff you are putting on. Can we have more detail on the webinar? And anything else yuouo have coming up?
Dan – The date is the 4th of May. Will post it tomorrow. Waited and the price went down. Will post at 9 pst. If we have 250 people that are going to do that he will open up another class. How to protect you $ and have the least amount of taxes and protect hyourself from being sued.They believe they are going to get clients out of this and the only reason they are doing it for $29.00.
? Thought call yesterday really on target and I appreciate it. Dan you said you talked to your intel sources who said not happening this weekend. What did he say was left to do before the rv?
Dan – trying to figure out how to answer that question. There is a physical reason. This is a very touchy one. Friend of mine that sits in a high place. There’s a physical reason. Two sources said the same thing. Said wouldn’t happen Friday or Saturday. They think it could pop any miinute. Some things have to take place for this to happen. Can’t happen before Saturday or Sunday is what they said, I hope they are wrong. There’s boards today saying it will happen tonight. Not trying to be one of those guys. Know that if you have a reserve off you get frustrated. Can’t say any more than the next 2 – 3 days doesn’t seem it is even possible physically, but can be right after that. Not changing my stance.
? Heard people say they don’t ask why the intel didn’t come true. You guys at least ask what happened. ? about smart cards? Did they put $1100 usd or dinar on there?
Ton: We did have BOG …
Chief – An ongoing process. Won’t happen over night. 40-50 bases there and 18 different provences and 3 regions. Only know it was the equivalent of $1100 usd. Don’t know what it was in dinars. We were waiting on a confirmation on JBT, Boozemanor whoever is there. haven’t gotten that yet. Supposed to be getting 250 usd per month.
Dan – what they used to get was 250 us before.
Tony – Didn’t have a card before.
Dan – Before that card they would get cash. How much a month? 250 us right?
Tony – I don’t know that.
Dan – we don’t knwo the # there.
Chief – when the original article came out that said 1200 dinar thought what? that’s a buck… then it was reduced to 250.
Dan – kind of confusing to me too.
Chief – they won’t give us that information.
Dan – A good source who has very good contacts over there. Called his military contacts there and asked this very thing. He was called immediately by his superiors and told they didn’t want any more questions about the dinar.
I believe they do care if we buy. he was told to stop asking any ? about the iqd.
Chief – We know they got $1100 worth. If you divide the 250 into that that is how you come up with the $4 + we did.
? About an article on another site regarding theie cbi reducing their dinar sales. Think taht is the article that was put out. So how about the Top of the Mark? Think something should be put together in SF.
Dan: Need a place to hold 1500 – 2000. You’ll see an itinerary for the event after this happens. A lot of stuff. 3 -4 different places we are looking at. A lot of work to get the right places. Maybe we should rent Alcatraz for the day.
? Ann – Curious about why pushing the 25k note so much? I wanted to buy some of the lower ones but they prived them more. Why?
Dan – They say the other ones are more paper, more work, more weight.. That’s what Ali said. Only a little bit more expensive.
Tony: A reason – they know they are going to be destroyed where the lower notes are going to be retained. Plus takes more of the smaller notes and costs more to ship it to you. Lower notes (50 and 250′s)
? ? for Chief. Something on the board several times earllier. That you thought it would be 60 – 90 days.
Chief – no 30- 60 days. Well there are a lot of time lines setup in schedule of things that need to be done In the past many things have gotten done well ahead of schedule. The things I listed are the thigns I know of. Tony and I went round robin on that stuff. Said that the UN said they were done with Kuwait. Then an article came out saying they had paid Kuwait reparations. Things could be donme will beforw that time frame. IMF doc has that schedule written out on there and has completed and uncompleted stuff on the doc. One was the largest commercial banks in Iraq had to be resctructured to communicate properly with the central bank. Very important. Al have to tie into the centeral bank. New power plant this weekend is fantastic news. We’ve had the U S Treasury guys there and they came home. IT guys may still be there. When they come home we know complete. Power plant gives uninterrupted power to the CBI and Baghdad facilities should have no problems there with that. Other items may have been dont but I haven’t confirmed that. Bernenke made mention of QE2 – quantitative easing for 2nd quarter. They are withdrawing the bonds they were going to sell. A good thing. Have to keep in your mind that it can happen now, but be prepared if it runs out till June. DFI protection ends in June. Several things that end in June. Currency Newshound said that Iraq will start a new era July 1. Know a lot of articles are misinformation. Continue on with tyour life. Don’t sit and dwell on this thing day in and out. We don’t know everything.
? Do we really know who is in charge of pushing this button? Who has to give permission to do it?
Dan – Easier to say who is not.
Chief – I was in a conversation about that today. Odd that there is one sources we do not have contacts with and that is the world bank. My theory is that we have the UN and the IMF. In charge of multiple things. Who is the money holder in this thing? The World Bank controls the world’s money…
Dan – I think a little more controversial than that. Individuals that control everything.
Chief – in the background – when you start looking at who controls the markets.. the world bank is behind that. IMF controls the countries different moneys. World banks controls when. A certain point they have to reach whether it is the gold, the oil, the silver…. dollar reaching a certain pont. We don’t have anyone at the world bank. May never have anyone there.
Dan – one member is a former consultant to the IMF and has a lot of really good info. This is a difficult to answer. There are people who are giants who control it. Still have to go back to the US, China etc. It is whoever has the biggest stick. They are all controlling it waiting for the most $$ to be in their park and wkill flip the sweithch..All ready,. Not waiting for anything. If the people wanted it to be done and said this was the bst time to make money it would be done.
Simon – an imf contact said to me – watch silver and gold – as long as they gol up it won’t happen. A lot more to this than just a flip of the switch. The dollar is being pushed down till gold reaches its top. Then other buttons that will be pushed to complete this thing and that will bring the dollar back up. One of the reasons in a holding pattern. So close it could happen at any minute. Know we are really close but we don’t know.
Chief – who is the overall entity – World Bank or IMF?
Dan – Don’t think either one.
? Don’t need to hear you are doing a good job from me. Wanted to reiterate something on smart cards. Took me 2 years to teach m mother how to use an atm card. Will take Iraaq a long time to teach the people how. It is good to know when things are good and bad. If Maliki is voted out of confidence how will that affect us dinar holders?
Dan – If it affects the greed factor it won’t matter. He won’t be voted out if it is going to stall the rv and they want it to be rv’s at this moment. None of those guys – doesn’t matter. Not about Itaq. About Iraq’s money and their wealth.
Certain countries that don’t figure into the bigger picture. Even though Iraq will be the saving grace, if they had the might and the power would have told the US to get out of their country when the US and the UN took over. Doesn’t matter which way the economy swings. It’s not about the $ of the U.S. When you talk about trusts and that stuff.. the U S can make the dollar look however they want as long as they control the gold etc.- only affects us little guys.
People want answers. Go to the GET site, Okie’s site and make your own decision. Then get to the point that you look at who is giving us what information. We want to be a little more constructiive with the information. let’s be a little bit more post -rv and how we are going to become better when we are better.
Had a 3 hour mod call today. Traveling soldier said – and we agreed. Started this site to educate the little guy. and keep him in the game. Tony says there are people, after this wealth has shifted that after 5 years will be broke. If we focus on that now and take that number from 90 to 80% – can we make the numbeers better afterwards? We might as well start to focus on the post rv stuff.
Tony – Trying to form a warning. Go look up lottery winners. 70% are broke in 5 years. 87% of professional athletes are broke after 5 years. You need to be learning right now – before you get it. Once in your hands you will just be spending it. Think about long term.
Dan – We hope we become more educated too. Point is – from Mike Tyson to a lot of people who thought they were different – most of them were wrong. Very few people that come out of it and keep on making it. We had this investment and didn’t have to work for it. Trying to help ourselfves and help you guys. let’s see how good we can make it.
Chief – Stay strong hang in there. It really could happen any minute. We don’t know all the facts.
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